Table Talks with Black Attorneys
Messenger Elijah Muhammad met with Black Attorneys in his home in the
early 1960′s. The following words are transcribed from an audio tape of
one such meeting.
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‘…The government actually wanted to put a decoy on the water that
you’ve been trying to shoot ducks on. In order to fool you to come up.
You start firing up, but the duck is actually not a duck. He don’t have
life in him. He’s a decoy. Thurgood Marshall is in Washington just for
that purpose. To act as a front that the government will give you high
places in the government if you’re qualified. This is to deceive the vast
of the population of the Negro…’
–Words of Messenger Elijah Muhammad
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MESSENGER: He says to me, He says, “suppose, Mr. Muhammad, that the
government agrees with you to give you a territory, as you’re asking for
for your people, he says, What will you do with these that don’t want to
go with you in the territory to themselves. I said, “That’s yours.” He
bust out laughing. Then he said, “I don’t see nothing wrong with your
teaching. He said, “But getting people to agree with you.” Now the
government is willing, I have learned this from higher sources, but we
always have an enemy as they have an enemy among us. We are not doing
something, Brother, foolishly. We are after separating a Nation. And
setting the slave up independent of his master. And then let God and the
Nation kill the master, but let us get out first. If they want to kill
him, kill him. Well then, we’ll have the whole Western Hemisphere here to
ourselves. And that is what it belongs to. It belongs to Original People,
before ever Columbus landed here. It was still under Originals rule. He
say, “Well, they weren’t doing so much…” Well, no they ??? and
conquered us here. They weren’t doing so much in Europe. And if I had
you. You, meaning just the intellectual people to agree with me, the
whole entire government would be threatened tomorrow night and pulling
the hairs in their head out. They’d say, “These niggers need for us to do
something for them worthwhile.” What can we do with all of these millions
of niggers who now has got friendship with their own kind across the
water. What can we do? We’ll bring all of these Negroes or all of the
Black people across the earth against us. It’s better to give them just a
little ground in our territory here, like they want it. As we brought
them in here like we wanted. And we give them what we wanted. Now, he’s
free. He asks us, now, for his own room to be …. Brother, this is the
real trouble in us leaving happy like we should. This is the fear the
leadership-intellectual Black man in America – The political man of
America. He’s keeping his hopes on the favor in his boss, in his
slave-master’s children. He must act according to what they tell him to
do in order to get this favor. This is because that this old slavery idea
of fear makes you to react like that. But when you take this, what I am
preaching to you to accept, Islam, the fear moves from you. You opens
your mouth, then, and speaks like a man! And you have power behind you.
You have God and the Nations behind you. I have God to defend me against
America – white devils. Not Algeria. Not Egypt. Not Arabia. Not the
Muslims over there. I’m not depending on their help. But I have one that
have the power over all of them-all the earth. And the power that exists
in the earth, the power that surrounds the earth, the power that is above
the earth. This is Who I’m working under the guidance of. Don’t be
deceived. Don’t be fooled. Elijah’s not out here trying to do something
of Elijah, alone. But I am doing the thing that you have written in the
Bible of Prophets. Whether you believe it or not, you can’t make Truth a
lie to save your life. Because truth is like sunshine. When the sun rises
tomorrow morning, you can’t force the night to stay there, the dark of
the night. It will just disappear. That is the way truth disappears
false. The white man knows that you time is now come. Free to go for
yourself. He knows that. But if your so foolish to think that you can’t
go for yourself, without him helping you right here. ??? You are charmed
of his civilization, like the Jesus made a parable out of. Lazarus
couldn’t leave the rich man’s gate because he just didn’t trust himself
going getting him spirit and meat. He just begged the rich man. “Give me
some of what you have”. “I want some of this” “I helped you work for
this”. And there lies barrels of wheat out there for him. If he goes out
there and make it for himself. There’s millions of cattle out there, he
could graze for himself. But he don’t to do that. He don’t want the
responsibility of doing something for himself. “I want the rich man’s.”
“I want his luxury”. The Book gives a beautiful description of it. How it
happened and how it ends. This is referring to, none-other-than the Black
man of America, The slave of the whiteman. And the whiteman is the rich
man. That’s all the Jesus made the parable for. For us. Now this is
fulfilled! You lay at the rich man’s gate. Martin Luther King, poor
brother, with his army of marches all over the country near, laying at
the rich man’s gate.”I just want to come in to eat with you. Let me eat
beside you. I just want to be your brother, and not a brother-in-law, I
wants to be your real brother”. When nature didn’t make him that. Okay,
this is foolish and ignorant. “I want to live where you live”. “Yeah!
Your supposed to let me have a house right there beside your house”.
“Don’t look upon me as something inferior to you, I’m just as great as
you.” Your greater, alright enough , if he understands it. And works to
the ??. Here’s a man, Elijah Muhammad, telling you that you are greater
than he, you are the Original man. He’s a man that we grafted from
ourselves. He’s inferior to us by nature. “No, but I can’t take that. I
want some of this luxury of the whiteman”. “What I’m gonna do over
there?” “I don’t have no factory.” “What I’m gone do?” “I can’t do
nothing else but stay here.” Well stay here ’til we rob him then. Stay
here until we break his power, and then what you gonna do? You have turn
to your own people. Abraham represents your own Nation. And this going
on and fulfilled. And he put his dogs on Lazarus. That didn’t stop
Lazarus. The dog bites did not run Lazarus from the gate. No sir. Licking
his sores, did not make Lazarus go. As long as he seen luxury (wealth) in
the rich man’s house, “I’m not going no where. I want you to divide this
with me. Give me some. I’m just like you. We are all brothers. We are all
come from the same father, Adam.” And he don’t know what he’s talking
about, there. That is not his father. That’s the white man’s father.
Okay, “I’m not going away. You got me to fight. I’m not going to fight
you. I’ll let you fight me, but I’m not going to fight you.” Okay, Martin
Luther, was just about through with that ‘non-violent’ teaching. He
found out that that don’t work. And his people would leave him and
probably turn violent on him. Well you’re causing them to suffer. A few
student from Tuskegee, Alabama, just left here this morning. Spent the
night with us. ??? The student was telling me how that they had been
ruffed and beaten by the police in this March down there. They were in
it. They told me all what went on. Now, they don’t want any more of the
‘Civil Rights Movement’ stuff. They want the Right Movement. But let it
be Right. Civil or not Civil. Be right. So that I can get some benefit
from this thing. They left here happy. Because they said that they had
never heard of me, before just a few weeks ago. And when I taught, and
they had mentioned it, once or twice, among their teachers and, some of
them, just become an enemy, to even mention what Elijah teaches.Show me
anything that I am teaching that will cause my people to suffer if they
will accept it. Show me anything. We have proof. We are spread out over
the country from the Atlantic to the Pacific and from Canada down through
Central American Government. We are all the way down to Argentina. We
???. We’re over in Africa. We’re in Mexico. I’m represented in Mexico. We
have a Temple over there too. We are going so fast that actually the
blind actually don’t see us, until actually we point out, “Brother,
that’s my ???? What is the government doing to me to try to hinder the
progress of putting the Negro into a state of independence of him? He
comes to you. They’ll use that tomorrow on you. “You visited Elijah? Oh,
I’m surprised! Oh! What are you going to learn from these dumb people.
Where did you get your degree from?” “Such and such college” “Oh! You’re
my comrade. I went to that college. And you mean to say that you’re going
to…Elijah’s never been to no college. How can he lead you?” You get
them. “He goes to school as God’s Messenger!” You got something there!
But tell him this. He know you don’t have the right answer. You tell him,
“What University did Noah go to?” “What University did Abraham go to? And
you recognize him as highest in civilization. “What University did Jesus
go to? You don’t care whether that he was graduated in no University of
the Jews? What says The Book? That God will raise up one, uneducated, one
that is Blind, deaf and dumb, plainly teaches like that. And in the Last
Book of Bible, you call it the Revelation of John, He prophesied of a
Lamb, mentioning that this man is dumber than all of the other Prophets.
He’s a lamb. Lamb means a little small sheep without the proper training
of the shepherd, no knowledge of himself.
Questioner: May I ask something?
Messenger: I hope…wait just a minute. I hope that we go along like
this. What I say in answer to you. I want you, then, to tell me whether
you understand or whether it made any sense to you. And if it didn’t,
then you tell me what you think of it.
Questioner: I certainly understand what you’re saying. I had a question
that was in my mind and as a pre-law student I was concerned about why
Muhammad Ali is making use of white attorneys rather than Black attorneys.
Messenger: Do what?
Questioner: Why is Muhammad Ali, in his current skirmish with the local
board people and federal court. why is he making use of white attorneys.
Messenger: Because the white man can fight the white man more effectively
than you.
Questioner: Now, when we make that statement, don’t we deny that we can
become effective in the white man’s society?
Messenger: Yes, if you do so. If you believe like Muhammad Ali believe,
you would be. But you don’t. And when you get in court and the judge
takes you back there in the Chambers and tell you, “Well you trying to
defend these Negroes, who are trying to overthrow our government…?”
Then you get scared. Then you come out, then yielding to his point.
Questioner: Isn’t that kind of a separation really? Don’t you think
Thurgood Marshall confronted with the same people and same thing during
his court battle.
Messenger: In what court battle?
Questioner: The segregation battles that he had in the federal court.
Messenger: Listen, Thurgood Marshall was not hindered or opposed too much
by the government, it was just the Southern devils, you know, cracked
down on him a little bit. To show whether or not he is qualified to set
up here and judge. And where did he get his qualifications from. How can
he judge us and we still is balk of this nation. You see? This they had
something. But the government, let me tell you this, the government maybe
he was not say trying condemn me but would like to know my answer, but
the government actually wanted to put a decoy on the water that you’ve
been trying to shoot ducks on. In order to fool you to come up. You start
firing up, but the duck is actually not a duck. He don’t have life in
him. He’s a decoy. Thurgood Marshall is in Washington just for that
purpose. To act as a front that the government will give you high places
in the government if you’re qualified. This is to deceive the vast of the
population of the Negro that makes him think “I will sit on the supreme
court bench. I have a brother up there.” How much good is he doing? “I
will be vice president!” Yeah. He may. But what law will you put into
play over his desires. You’re going to follow what he says. Thurgood
Marshall can not defend in a case that the government considers it
against him. And whatever Thurgood Marshall says, it would not help. They
are going to enforce that which they think is best for their country.
They’ll tell Thurgood Marshall that if they get in a hot conversation
with him. But Elijah is here teaching Thurgood Marshall and the all of
them that they are the Original People of the earth and that the
Executors is after us and if they’re after us, let’s take one of them and
deceive the other through this one and make them all catch hell with us.
And I tell them boldly that. I say, “You are only trying to get them to
go to hell with you or in your doom.” And they don’t deny it. It’s you
denies it, that’s here trying to force me to believe this is a good thing
they are doing for us. You’ve got no future in a made ruler. No white
man will ever put a Negro in power to do the Negro good, without his
ordering and without his absolutely guide. You are going by his law. Then
he will call you back and say. “Listen, you are going a little too far on
this, Marshall. You know the law. This is our law. Here, read here.” You
took an oath to enforce their law and not your law. You don’t have one.
You go and declare that you will enforce the law that’s already in
practice by the white man. You only are thinking that you are being
honored to hold this place. But how much good you going to do for your
people. How many cases are you going to jump up here and declare that the
white man have not given justice. A man shot a police down here on a
street car in self defense. And that goes from the lower court to the
higher court in Arizona. And from there the attorneys or the victim or
the client of the attorney is able to pay his way all the way to
Washington and let the Supreme Court to decide this. Well, then, his
attorney goes then and tries and get the Supreme Court to listen to this
case. They don’t have to. If they think that they will break the
friendship of the judge here in Phoenix, I mean the other courts, before
is has gotten there and this Negro is seeking to give justice to him,
we’ll have a lot of Negroes that we’ll have to do the same for. They
turned it down. Wouldn’t even listen to it. Thurgood Marshall, “What
about this case?” Suppose he speaks, “What about this case, looks like it
ought to be looked at?” “No, judge, we won’t. That will get us in trouble
with the Negroes.” “Well, that’s what I’m up here for to defend my
people.” Suppose he would, you know, talk and answer back like that.
“Yeah, but you see, Mr. Marshall, we have keep and maintain our law and
control the people..” He won’t say the Negro, maybe outright, right then,
he’s not angry enough, but he if keeps on arguing with him, then he’ll
tell him. “This law here, it’s got to be enforced. We can’t give the
Negro a stick to crack our own head, Mr. Marshall.” That’s what he’ll
tell him. You don’t hear his words. But Marshall hears them. Well who is
Marshall up there working for? He’s working for the people who put him
there. You didn’t give no vote for Marshall to take on seat up there. If
he puts you on the judge bench here, you don’t, this court don’t ask you
to vote for a lawyer so-and-so to become a judge. They just say. “Oh! We
think that’s pretty well. How about you taking over this bench here, as
judge. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!.” Alright, you better be just like me, now. When a
nigger comes up here before you, give him hell like I do.” This is
right. And they do it. Why, you’ve got a worse Black judge than you had
when he was a lawyer. He was bad enough as a lawyer, because when the
judge scolds him on a point, he cowards down. Just tell him, “Shut up!”
That’s right. I’ve been in the courts too many times. “Shut up! Aw, hush!
Hush! Hush! Hush!”. Telling the lawyer, now, that. “I said, hush! Sit
down!” Because he knows the judge can easily tell him that he’s in
contempt of court. Now he’s right on his point but the judge can control
him, “I don’t want to pass that and don’t argue with me, you just shut
up. I know you know that. And I know that is right.” This is what goes
on, Brother, between you and this devil here. Well I have the name. I’m
a judge. You have the name, now, that you are the number one enemy to
your people. I go there looking for you to give me justice and the devil
that put you up there he will see that you obey him and not me, in the
law of justice. Here’s some examples: In the time when the devil police
raided our Temple and killed one of our Brothers.??? We hired two of the
best lawyers. The ones in L.A. of our people. One of them had gotten a
very expensive Police Brutality because he used to be on the force. Both
came here and sat down in my house and we talked over the case a couple
of times….Okay, they said, “We’ll take the case for $60,000.00, which
would give them $20,000.00 apiece if they wanted to divided. I told them,
“Listen, I will agree if my followers give you $60,000.00, but I want you
to remember this, that we are paying you to give us justice according to
the law of that case.” He said, “Aw, the case is just a clear as
sunshine.” They said, “We know that you can win.” Now, when the devil saw
that they could win. And they had formed a case. They sent me the court
script, the transcript. They kept me up-to-date. But when they got to the
point where the court had to yield that actually the police department
was guilty. “Oh! Oh! That can’t happen. Do? All the Muslims will be
getting more converts. No. We don’t want that. So what we’re gonna do,
bribe these two lawyers. It is known that these people is violent. But
let’s bribe them. These niggers is not listening to what Elijah’s
preaching to them. They don’t understand. We can’t argue with Elijah,
but we can get one of these misunderstanding Negroes, regardless to their
being lawyers, before they go wake up to Elijah. They ‘ll soon wake up to
him, they will fight for justice for him regardless to our offer to
promote them to higher office. Let’s go now, right in the midst… You
know, Lawyer so and so and so, I think I’ll make you Prosecuting
Attorney. I see lot’s of potential in you. That you can even do good for
the whole State. You’re too good for a common lawyer, a criminal lawyer.
You should be a judge.” Okay, he ???? “Yes, sir.” “Now, I’m going to see
that you get this place.” And when he yields to it he says, “Now, listen,
now you know that if you’re going to put these people out here in the
public that they are innocent and we are wrong for mistreating them, do
you know what’s going to happen? You going to have all of the Negroes
believing in that stuff that Elijah’s teaching and that race-hatred.”
Much, Much more to come!
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